Im actually quite new to mixing, but between my mates ive had a go at Vinyl, Serrato, CDJs and Ableton and to be honest I'll go with vinyl too. I just like the convenience of being able to drop the needle anywhere onto the the plate that I want. Serrato is cool for that vinyl feel, but you cant drop in halfway into the track, you can only start from the very beginning. CDJs have the set cue point function, but its a pain in the ass to do and the beat counters take all the fun out of it and Ableton is like checking your email. Long live Vinyl I say. (The digital methods all win in the two bucks a track stakes though...)
Vinyl Vs CD's - What's better?
Johnny Gee Wiz Brawn November 24 at 9:13am Reply
im not real good with technology, im a dinosaur that still plays records.
Jenny Gabber Sparkles Cox November 24 at 9:15am Reply
hahahhahaha thats ok i only play records aswell......cdjs frustrait me sooooo effing much :-)
Johnny Gee Wiz Brawn November 24 at 9:18am Reply
i cant scratch on em so fuk em, robot dj's
Jenny Gabber Sparkles Cox November 24 at 9:20am Reply
lol i just cant use them full stop ive tried heaps of times im just uncoordinated
Johnny Gee Wiz Brawn November 24 at 9:21am Reply
best u stay off em so u dont damage urself
Ali Houssein November 24 at 1:58pm Reply
i use both =_= you get the best of both worlds.... some tracks you cant get on vinyl and some tracks you cant get in high quality .wav so using both is an upside i rekn.
Peter McDonald November 24 at 2:19pm
I reckon if you can't get it on vinyl, you shouldn't play it (unless it's your own track). It is part of the fun of hunting down that record you really wanted and depending on what it was, you could be the only one who could play that rare record. And vinyl sounds better too.
Johnny Gee Wiz Brawn November 24 at 2:41pm Reply
im with u pete, cant help bein a dinosaur. the only technology i like is serato cos ur using records again.
Corey Ingram November 24 at 2:54pm Reply
Depends on what style you play also, some styles like psy and full on evolves so quick that you'd never get hold of half the shit thats released...... Thats if it makes it to vinyl !!!
Tho I used to have that same opinion Pete, if you didnt write it or own it on vinyl then you shouldnt play it.. ( Half of the up'n'comers these days cant even spin vinyl ).. It kept the decks open for people dedicated to thier mixing and spent half thier life span searching for " THAT FKN TUNE " !!!!
But yes I bit the bullet and now have cd's & vinyl.... Shun on me I know : ) But the $3/track is velly nice and 3 hours+ of tunes can be carried in 1 LIGHT backpack !!
Jenny Gabber Sparkles Cox November 24 at 4:23pm Reply
i ♥ vinyl i dont mind running around with a sore shoulder from carrying it........i love being able to flash that one track i been searching for.....i dunno it just makes me complete LOL
Ali Houssein November 24 at 8:07pm Reply
agree with corey here on the price - shun me if you will but i don't understand how the big black disc "sounds better" seeing as vinyl is recorded at 44.1khz / 16 bit and majority of .WAV is the same.... occasionally you will get a 44.1 / 24 bit track.
so as for the sound.... shouldn't be different unless you have a shit sound system.
Peter McDonald November 24 at 10:44pm
There's a bit more to it than that. It's a fact that vinyl will always sound better. Digital music automatically eliminates the sounds that can't be heard by human ears, making more room for other information. Vinyl still has those sound frequencies and you still can't hear them but you most definitely feel them, making the listening experience much better.
Michael 'Djskitzy' Agamalis November 24 at 10:45pm Reply
i love my cdj's lmao
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Ali Houssein November 24 at 10:48pm Reply
that is true peter.
now onto the arguement of Science VS Religion =)
Ali Houssein November 24 at 10:51pm Reply
but skitzy can you use vinyl at all ??....... how long have you been mixing mate ? vinyl is a completely different feel altogether... you have to know your tracks more with vinyl as it is just a "big black disc" with no fast forward / rewind / cue / hot cue or any of the digital advantages..... learning to dj on vinyl helps in so many ways.... teaches you beat matching like nothing else.... as for speed mixing.... you can forget vinyl... no chance of mixing 3 - 4 tracks in 3 - 5 mins with vinyl unless you have 3 or 4 turntables with your tunes ready to go.
Michael 'Djskitzy' Agamalis November 24 at 10:53pm Reply
cant use it. Wanna learn tho like i got the hang of cdj's just wanna perfect it first then go on to vinyl
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Ali Houssein November 24 at 11:01pm Reply
the thing is though.... if you learnt to use vinyl first up... perfecting cdj takes about a month tops. that includes all the nifty tricks of the trade with top of the range pioneer cdj's.
Michael 'Djskitzy' Agamalis November 24 at 11:05pm Reply
yeah well ill start training soon
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Peter McDonald November 24 at 11:06pm
HAHA There is Fast Forward and Rewind, you do it with your hands or you put the needle on the part of the record you want to play. Pause is when you hold the record. When you can see the grooves, you know exactly where you're at. It's way more fun when you can physically touch the mixing. I'd like to see someone try juggling with CD's (No, not the juggling that clowns do!).
Michael 'Djskitzy' Agamalis November 24 at 11:07pm Reply
dj kentaro dose it on cdj's
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Johnny Gee Wiz Brawn November 25 at 7:24am Reply
i used 2 be able to mix 3-4 tracks within minutes at 180 bpm and still have time 2 scratch and transform at that speed back in the day, practice makes perfect,i had 6years as a hip hop dj b4 the raves so i had an advantage.will try get my old tape out for ya all.arguments are good on both sides, i didnt have all the info on digital being a dinosaur so thanx for the info.nice to see a peaceful debate. johnny the fossil.
Jenny Gabber Sparkles Cox November 25 at 7:40am Reply
hahahaha yes this disscussion is very interesting indeed
Corey Ingram November 25 at 9:02am Reply
Good to see alot of opinons and not shoot downs haha...
"CDJs have the set cue point function, but its a pain in the ass to do"
-How hard is it to hold down the cdj jog wheel and press cue ? - also if you're using the pioneer 1000's you have vinyl mode so it is 10x as easy to set cues, on top of that hot cues (instant play) rule... you can practically remix a track live.
"and the beat counters take all the fun out of it"
- have you ever tried mixing cd into vinyl - a unit with no beat counter ?? having a beat counter on the cdj's doesnt help you there. - which brings me back to my original statement "learning on vinyl is a good thing - teaches you to beatmatch properly."
One thing is for sure though - vinyl will never die. as long as there are scratchers in this industry it will always live.
A lot of places in sydney cbd have ditched their technics 1200's which sucks....i now know that there are a few oldschool dj's out there that have to mix cd majority of the time e.g John Ferris / G-Banga / Ryzer - (all part of the Club Plastic crew)
will i get shot down here? hahahaha first post, please be nice. Ok i mixed vinyl for many many years and i got 1000's a while back now and the 1200's just sat there collecting dust so i decided to sell, ive just got the 1000's now and dont miss playin vinyl one bit, i get bangin tunes on 320k mp3 so im all good but hey thats just me, everyones different :-)
I started with vinyl, but i'll use anything these days...
I said it before and Ill say it again. REAL DJS PLAY VINYL. People that cant mix vinyl and can only mix cds and still call themselves DJs are posers. F*kn learn to mix properly first! With cds its too easy, no skill involved, alot of em cant even beat-mix as they just follow the numbers on cdj- its called Cheating! Anyone can press a few buttons.
I would only mix a cd if the track hasnt been pressed to vinyl yet, as soon as it is, Ill play it on vinyl. Vinyl DJs are authentic. They also get much more respect.
Ru an authentic DJ?
I've been mixing vinyl ever since i started mixing 14 years ago. Even when two creates of vinyl, decks, mixer and alot of other stuff in my place was stolen, I never considered going to CD. Tried 1000s and they just don't have the same feel. You can do much more mixing wise with vinyl, you can be more technical, scratching sounds better, and vinyl holds it's value more. I brought Daft Punk Live Mixes of All Around The World 2007 at One Stop for $20, last time i checked on discogs it was going for 70 Euros. Vinyl does sound better, it has a stronger base line. One of my former friends told me that you will eventually have to switch to vinyl, but, if the club or party dosen't have vinyl decks, then it's not worth playing. Vinyl has a mostique that will be around for ever and has a cult following like the harley davidson. Anyone can mix cds, but, not everyone can mix vinyl. Hell when i start producing i rather pay $100 for a dub plate than use CDs.
